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alisontiz
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Re: God

Postby alisontiz » Tue May 05, 2015 9:07 am

Thank you, Afrika and Markh. I have found both of your posts helpful. At the moment it doesn't seem as though any renewing of vows will take place this year. Markh, I have often felt that Church membership is just for 'show' and when I attended I struggled to be allowed into the place that everyone else seemed to have found and to have perfect faith. Somehow I never quite managed it. I am so sorry to hear of the terrible pain you experienced. Afrika, I'm glad you have such a different experience - I shall definitely keep reading and thinking. Alison

christabel
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Re: God

Postby christabel » Tue May 05, 2015 9:17 pm

Everyone has their opinion and when you suffer in life it's not always easy to hold on to a faith. I personally have had my faith tested to the limit at times but not surprising have seen the good come out of bad. I don't go to church anymore, I don't think that is what it's all about.

motherofrage
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Re: God

Postby motherofrage » Fri May 29, 2015 8:47 pm

I've considered myself to be an atheist for most of my life, and I wouldn't go anywhere near any evangelicals or other fundamentalists. However lately I've become really interested in the Quakers, or Friends. I've not yet summoned up the courage to attend a meeting, but I think I will, one day. What draws me to them is that they seem to be amazingly tolerant, not just in terms of gender, sexuality etc, but also in terms of faith - there is even a non- theist group. What holds them together is a commitment to truth, justice, simplicity and peace, all things I wish I had had more of in my life. They appear to be quite a welcoming lot, but I am very anxious about being rejected or not wanted, so I haven't yet had the nerve to put it to the test.

Genevieve
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Re: God

Postby Genevieve » Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:59 am

Hi everyone
I have been a Christian since nineteen and it made me much more ill than I had been before. This made me leave the church temporarily but I went back later and I am starting to develop a relationship with God that means He gives answers to all my mental health problems gradually. This is what I didn't see I had to do when I was first a Christian. They are quite complex and the professionals haven't found the answers for me. I didn't experience love in my life until I felt it coming from Christians and this started my borderline personality disorder as it felt so intense but consequently I couldn't rely on it and ever since I haven't found a replacement. However without God and prayer I wouldn't have grown to see that I indeed can be loved and cared for and understood and died for and validated. This means I can live a life that makes incomparably more sense than it would have without becoming a Christian.
Most spiritual experiences that mimic God come from satan and not good or neutral spirits.
Best wishes

mezzaninedoor
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Re: God

Postby mezzaninedoor » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:19 pm

I'm a lapsed Christian and have a view that churches can be very supportive places full of genuine caring people, they can also hold great prejudice as well so just be careful that you engage with any community on your terms and don't feel any guilt.

I always found the Bible to have some really profound teaching but also to have some concerning content as well, my faith waned and people will often talk of a 'god shaped hole' in us but I wonder if we have an 'us shaped hole', not sure where we need to learn to love ourselves a lot more than we have and transform ourselves. I'm flat at the moment and I know I'm missing something but I think that something if something of me that isn't right.

A lot of the Sermon on the Mount had some good social principles for example.

TBH This is a difficult subject and I don't feel that I'm knowledgable enough to speak on it.

I do wonder if my tribulations with my faith over years has contributed to where I am now ???

I don't begrudge people faith as long as they have some open mindedness towards all people around them and practice less judgement than a lot of christians can sometimes project.

sorry its a bit of a ramble

emily67
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Re: God

Postby emily67 » Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:17 pm

hi.

though i'd like to believe in god, i don't. or rather, i can't find any reason to believe in him.

over the years i've lost indipendence, i've lost my family, i've lost stability, i've lost my way in general (not know what to do with my life), i turn on the tv to find news about killings or road traffic accidents, where does it end?

i just can't find a reason to believe in a god... i admit growing up, i was quite curious and let my christian naybor read me the bible, but even she ended up going against her own beliefs.

i do still read inspirational stories though (things like chicken soup stories). i find them comforting

mezzaninedoor
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Re: God

Postby mezzaninedoor » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:29 am

Interesting saying.

I think as a lapsed christian I do find that I sometimes feel I have a 'god shaped' hole so spirituality in folks seems natural to me, I can see from my own past and how I feel now why people happen upon faith.
My issues tend to be with the 'fairness' of creation and the intolerance of some people of faith, mostly the findamentalists I guess.
One of my favourite music artists is a christian guy called Martyn Joseph, he has a great social message as well though.

deb1960
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Re: God

Postby deb1960 » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:23 pm

I don't believe God created the suffering in this world. God is love and only capable of loving us. If God created any suffering at all he would be a wicked God. Anyone who deliberately creates suffering is wicked.

So why doesn't he stop it given he is all powerful? I don't know. Nobody knows. So we are left with very definite answers.
God creates suffering for whatever reason.
God doesn't create suffering but could stop it if he wanted.
I believe in God but I don't know the answer.
I don't believe in God.

I think the issue of suffering is the biggest barrier between people and God. It's something I would love to understand. For many years I dropped out of the church. I wanted proof that God existed. Eventually I realised I'd never have proof. My belief is an act of will. There are few Christians who do not doubt their faith, some occasionally, some for much of the time. I often have doubts but accept that this is normal.

I believe that wars are started by people. Mental illness is part of our make up and bad experiences caused by people. Natural disasters are part of the make up of our world. Why God can't save us from all this I don't know. But I got sick of the questioning and gave in to my desire to believe.

For a few years I have worked very hard at my faith. My relationship with God has become much more important to me. My life by and large is no easier now with the exception of when I go to bed. I talk to God in a journal. I find I feel very close at times. When I look over entries from the past I am surprised at how loving I feel towards God and how loved I feel by him.

I would love certainty and looked for clues for years. I think the closest we can ever get is to learn to look into our own soul. Looking out there will give us loads of interesting thoughts but not a lot else.

mlmack94
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Re: God

Postby mlmack94 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:59 am

many Buddhists believe that a spirit comes into a life knowing there journey to teach life lessons so our spirits during the reincarnation process actually pick our parents and choose that life because its something that needs to be taught in gods classroom (earth). to develop ones spiritual prowess, many people believe that an agreement is made between spirits that will create our world, it will make them behave as our loved ones and our enemies, and in turn we have good moments in life and bad ones. its all just so we can learn and develop as beings.

I personally don't believe any religion because I just don't but its a neat way to think of life.
ive always admired Buddhists. they always preach in such philosophical ways

mezzaninedoor
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Re: God

Postby mezzaninedoor » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:48 pm

It's really odd as I can't acknowledge any religion as the real deal BUT I can acknowledge that there appears to be a need to look or at least investigate spirituality. It seems that there is value at looking at religious teachings alongside philosophers as there is value in some of that, feeding our moral selves.

I know that I'm probably a left winger in my political views because of my exposure to new testament christianity and the social gospel of Jesus. It partly has affected my political views to some degree.

God - Thats another subject. The world is so lop sided, how could there be a diety.


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