Yes I have edited my post and do so also on other posts because I am conscious of putting too much out to soon all in one post. I haven’t removed the edited section of calming the child inside to no longer post it, but decided this would be better in a post of its own.
I find sometimes coming back to a post later on and reading back through tends to show me what may confuse the main message. So when editing helps to ensure the main message stands out without too much confusing stuff around it.
I have used the cloud method with a number of people over the years with good feedback on its effectiveness and for some has helped to change their lives, if not had certainly helped all in ways to cope at the times needed to. Yet this method did take some practice due to the minds noise going on at the time of trying. So preparation is a key and may take a number of tries as the mind moves towards working with this. So no hurry with this, it’s better to take your time when the conditions are right.
To answer your questions: thoughts, lead to feelings, lead to psychical behaviours, but the difficulty is that these 3 can go round and round, from physical behaviours thoughts are created about the behaviours so the cycle starts again, it’s about finding a way to break this cycle, the cloud is one way.
It’s the thoughts that come first; the feelings are a result of the thoughts. So with the cloud it’s to ‘visualize the thoughts as words’ flying out then back in and If you struggle to see the words without the feelings, put the feelings into the cloud as well, the words and everything associated with the words like feelings put them all up there with the cloud.
To see the thoughts as words not belonging to you, once you have put this cloud in the top corner then this is the key moment when you suddenly pay attention to ‘how you feel’ inside. 'How you feel should not be the same feelings associated with the words in the cloud'.
There is a genuine reason behind these kinds of help but may take a long post to go into the psychological science behind them, I am ok with long posts, but conscious of losing readers who may lose interest.
Don’t be too hard on yourself if not experiencing or managing this straight away, it helps a mind with bad thoughts, so trying this with affecting bad thoughts going on will take practice, but once you get past this I feel you will know.
The calming the emotions through the child inside I will post later this evening on its own post, hopefully without too much waffle from me.
I wasn’t sure what ooby was referring too? If ooby was referring to my own post or PureFrustr8d? And didn’t fully understand the significance of the reply? I have heard of the secret but never read it.
This didn’t attract me because of the media negativity it received before it came to publication.
The videos advertising the secret seemed a bit too farfetched for me. But I fully agree with whatever works for people to help them should not be discouraged.
Many people seek religion that helps them. There has even been a test on placebo effects with patients taking pills with no beneficial medicine in them. So if someone finds relief and hope through any method in life, especially if it had saved them from suicidal tendencies must be a good thing.
Might be something to consider posting on its own if ooby wishes too anytime in the future? Could help other members to share and discuss what did work from these kinds of self help books etc? Another way for members to add things that could help them in some way? Thanks ooby for sharing your thoughts on this.
Take care both